GOOD PROFIT: Hedged nifty positions with straddle...

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linkon7

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#51
thank u very much linkon7 -- then we will go for may 3400 and 3500

in april i have shorted 3400 call @ 83 and 3300 put @ 74 and had good gain only thing i have not traded nifty along with this

this month i will trade this along with nifty


thank u very much for your guideline monday i am going to execute the trade
Ideally, If u see a trend developing early.... then stagger the sell....
Like if u see the market selling off... then sell the call first and then at the end of the day...sell the put.... that way you get an extra premium.

if you play with nifty, then i suggest u short a straddle. preferably, 3500 straddle as there are plenty of resistance above this...3518, 3536, 3576...

Look at it this way, imagine the nifty as a rubber band, which has been stretched. Now if we sell a straddle at 3500 and we want a direction away from 3500. At this point, either the rubber band snaps and nifty breaks all the resistances and goes up to 3800 then these levels then act as support or it succumbs to the selling pressure and sells off and goes to test 3300-3290 support and hopefully break it go & down the drain. we dont care.:D

doesnt matter which direction the rubber band goes, as long as it is away from our 3500 level we will be smiling.

trust me, this strategy is tough. I paper traded this for over 2 months and then put it to trade last month at 3100 straddle. Last month was lucky. This month's 3400 too, the trend was strong and that helped. But in case the trend dries up and market goes volatile around the strike price, then we have to re-think the strategy.

in case u want to play safer, I suggest 3400 put and 3600 call then u sell nifty below 3400 and buy nifty above 3600. the strategy remains the same, but u relax between 3400 and 3600 and watch the strangle decay slowly.

what ever u do.... remember its your money and the risk is yours. You gain money, you can thank me, but incase u screw it up, you can abuse me, but by then your money is already lost. No strategy is too good to be true.

Its not what you play but how you play that dictates the profit.
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#52
CUES-

--Nifty May future premium increased to 9 points so cost of carry increased..
--Nifty open interest decreased by 89 lacs suggests short covering. (Total OI now at 3.64 cr)
--3400 puts had open interest of 31 lacs(+13 lacs) and 3500 calls had open interest of 21 lacs(+5 lacs), so 3400 and 3500 will be important levels to watch for.
--India VIX closed at 46.63, decreased by 4% suggests stability.
--Market wide rollover was 75.64 %, whereas rollover in Nifty
futures was 74.03 %.
--Reliance Communications , IFCI , DLF , Indian
Tobacco Company and Idea Cellular witnessed good
rollover in the next series.
---Unitech , ICICI Bank , Jaiprakash Associates
and Suzlon Energy witnessed poor rollover in the next
series.
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#53
expectations before the trade :
crude broke the 50$ barrier
Re broke the 50$ as well....
SGX nifty says we will gap up 4% at 3630 well above the 3550 mark.

4 days should eat away at least 50 points from the straddle's time value. if we open above 3600 mark, 3400 pe will see a lot of shorting. 3400 ce will see massive short covering. so plan to close 3400 ce first and let it ride and slap a short towards the end.
Hopefully, target will be achieved today itself.
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#54
covered 3400 call at 291
sold nifty position at 3626
waiting to cover 3400 put targeting 70....lets see...
Time for me to take my exit...write the thank you note....
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#55
placed a cover order at 74 for the put....
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#56
scrip cost present diff profit/loss
3400 CE 230.00 291.00 (61.00) (6,100.00)
3400 PE 215.00 83.00 132.00 13,200.00
Nifty Futures 3,116.00 3,626.00 510.00 51,000.00


Total = 58,100.00


The position of the nifty straddle as of end of 04th May’2009

Script
3400 CE bought at 230 has a current price of Rs. 291 is at a loss of Rs. -6100
3400 PE bought at 215 has a current price of Rs. 83 is at a profit of Rs.13200
Nifty Futures long Innitiated at the averaged price of 3116 has a current price of Rs. 3626 is at a profit of Rs.51000

Total = profit of Rs. 58100


Statistics

Cost of the straddle = 445.00
present price of the straddle = 374.00
Actual value of the straddle = 226.00
profit on straddle = 71.00
Profit on nifty = 510.00

total profit = 581.00

Activity report
placed a buy order at 270… for the call….
hardly any sellers…. Only seller is quoting 360
modified the buy to 291…. Got taken
exited nifty at 3626
placed a buy order at 70 for the put
modified it to 75
market's not selling off… so might get it….
its not rallying…. So the selling pressure might overcome the buying
3500 put trading at 118….thinking of doing a bear spread if 74 doesn’t hit…
cancelled the 3400… decided to go for a spread….if the high of 3625 doesn’t get broken…
3400 put simply refuses to fall…. Lot of put buying happening….
covered the put at 83
 

Xaero

Active Member
#57
scrip cost present diff profit/loss
3400 CE 230.00 291.00 (61.00) (6,100.00)
3400 PE 215.00 83.00 132.00 13,200.00
Nifty Futures 3,116.00 3,626.00 510.00 51,000.00


Total = 58,100.00


The position of the nifty straddle as of end of 04th May’2009

Script
3400 CE bought at 230 has a current price of Rs. 291 is at a loss of Rs. -6100
3400 PE bought at 215 has a current price of Rs. 83 is at a profit of Rs.13200
Nifty Futures long Innitiated at the averaged price of 3116 has a current price of Rs. 3626 is at a profit of Rs.51000

Total = profit of Rs. 58100


Statistics

Cost of the straddle = 445.00
present price of the straddle = 374.00
Actual value of the straddle = 226.00
profit on straddle = 71.00
Profit on nifty = 510.00

total profit = 581.00

Activity report
placed a buy order at 270… for the call….
hardly any sellers…. Only seller is quoting 360
modified the buy to 291…. Got taken
exited nifty at 3626
placed a buy order at 70 for the put
modified it to 75
market's not selling off… so might get it….
its not rallying…. So the selling pressure might overcome the buying
3500 put trading at 118….thinking of doing a bear spread if 74 doesn’t hit…
cancelled the 3400… decided to go for a spread….if the high of 3625 doesn’t get broken…
3400 put simply refuses to fall…. Lot of put buying happening….
covered the put at 83
Good summary. Where is the party? :D
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#58
I could have continued with this strategy for another 10 thou at least but decided to take a graceful exit. Market has a tendency to slap you on the face and take back what ever it has given. We all face that, i guess. letting a profitable position turn into a loss is a crime.

The way puts were being bought, I was tempted to do a bear spread by buying 3500 put and leaving the 3400 put open. But our market has a mind of its own. It would be hard to loose money on a spread but why ruin a good day. Taking everyone at home for dinner and a late night movie. everyone is welcome to join. specially Xaero.

I didn't get much criticism on the strategy this time and that's de-moralising. A few queries here and there but it did help in adding any new dimensions to the strategy. Maybe, its time i kept the next initiation of this strategy to myself.

Same strategy plays differently under different conditions. Strong directional movement is required for the quick success of this strategy. And so far, i got that in this month and last month. So luck played a major role. Next month might be different. Lets see how it plays out.

I wont be trading for the next 10 days, until markets reaction to the election is known on 16th. Normally our market has a tendency to hate uncertainties and a round of profit booking is expected but the way panic buying is happening now a days, anything seems possible. election might just be a days dip that gets bought into.

When in doubt...get out!... is the morale of the story.
 
#59
Ideally, If u see a trend developing early.... then stagger the sell....
Like if u see the market selling off... then sell the call first and then at the end of the day...sell the put.... that way you get an extra premium.

if you play with nifty, then i suggest u short a straddle. preferably, 3500 straddle as there are plenty of resistance above this...3518, 3536, 3576...

Look at it this way, imagine the nifty as a rubber band, which has been stretched. Now if we sell a straddle at 3500 and we want a direction away from 3500. At this point, either the rubber band snaps and nifty breaks all the resistances and goes up to 3800 then these levels then act as support or it succumbs to the selling pressure and sells off and goes to test 3300-3290 support and hopefully break it go & down the drain. we dont care.:D

doesnt matter which direction the rubber band goes, as long as it is away from our 3500 level we will be smiling.

trust me, this strategy is tough. I paper traded this for over 2 months and then put it to trade last month at 3100 straddle. Last month was lucky. This month's 3400 too, the trend was strong and that helped. But in case the trend dries up and market goes volatile around the strike price, then we have to re-think the strategy.

in case u want to play safer, I suggest 3400 put and 3600 call then u sell nifty below 3400 and buy nifty above 3600. the strategy remains the same, but u relax between 3400 and 3600 and watch the strangle decay slowly.

what ever u do.... remember its your money and the risk is yours. You gain money, you can thank me, but incase u screw it up, you can abuse me, but by then your money is already lost. No strategy is too good to be true.

Its not what you play but how you play that dictates the profit.

thanks for your replay

on i have not initiated the straddle trade insted of that i have got two call at 3400 and 3500 on 29th.
and has got good gains

thanks for ur advice -- i would not blame u if i lost money

now market at this level can u suggest me which strike we have to sellect for stradle


thanks again

kumar
 

linkon7

Well-Known Member
#60
thanks for your replay

on i have not initiated the straddle trade insted of that i have got two call at 3400 and 3500 on 29th.
and has got good gains

thanks for ur advice -- i would not blame u if i lost money

now market at this level can u suggest me which strike we have to sellect for stradle

thanks again

kumar
Dont go for short straddles now.... its like the rubber band is stretched to the maximum and might snap or pull back to the mean very fast. Too risky to take any positions.

I would prefer at this stage to short 3600 put and buy 3400 put as insurance. There was aggressive put buying today and thats a sign of people taking protection. this phase of the market is called excess and normally ends with a sharp sell-off. But the catch here is excess can take nifty to another 10% high before the sell off. dont try to time the market. The sell off will last another 7 days and that's when we can be active. till then enjoy IPL...
 

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