GOOD PROFIT: Hedged nifty positions with straddle...

how do you find this strategy....


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linkon7

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#31
already achieved target for this straddle. I think this is good for another 200 points and will revise the target to 60 thou... i am being greedy. I know. Market has already given me 35% ROI and i want more.

I want to see what happens if i let my profit run. I'll keep a SL at 360 points from this points onwards. I'll have to roll over my nifty position tomorrow.... lets hope for the best...
 

metushar

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#32
Great going linkon7, it does look very easy when you write the summary of your trades but i know how it is in the real time.......u are very good with the stop losses but in between the judgement you bring in for when to short and when to long is amazing..........ofcourse stoploss is there but having them so near with nifty so volatile its not easy.........will look to trade this strategy sometime in future.....keep writing.

Please to tell about optionoracle, i installed it but it doesnt show any list of servers in the configuration....what could be the problem?
 

linkon7

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#33
Great going linkon7, it does look very easy when you write the summary of your trades but i know how it is in the real time.......u are very good with the stop losses but in between the judgement you bring in for when to short and when to long is amazing..........ofcourse stoploss is there but having them so near with nifty so volatile its not easy.........will look to trade this strategy sometime in future.....keep writing.

Please to tell about optionoracle, i installed it but it doesnt show any list of servers in the configuration....what could be the problem?
it is easy, specially when u have ur exits well defined. Judgment is required only if u want to increase the profit. at any point of time, the exit remains at 3400 which happens to be the pivot. trail the SL till it is hit and then place a buy / sell 2 points (where-ever ur break even is ) before the point where the sl was hit. incase market hits ur SL and goes away...then sacrifice a few points and get back in.

on very volatile days... i dont do anything at all. on days when it is tradable, i look to add to my profit.

the main problem i find in trading nifty naked is entry. if the news is bad, market gaps down and then taking a judgmental call becomes very tricky. but if u already in a trade, then all u have to decide is if u r confident enough to add some more profit or leave it the way it is. Exit remains well defined.

i am adding a options oracle config screen shot. This is the server i am using. In case u dont see this sever try re-installing
the software. maybe you can ask the http://www.samoasky.com site's admin for further assistance.

 
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linkon7

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#34
I don't trade on the expiry days as even wide SL has a tendency to get hit. I will just place a buy trigger at 3397 and wait it out. Long un-wings and profit booking might save me from having to act at all....

with 5 days holidays, i'm expecting a good decrease in the straddle's value. 300 points time value for a straddle thats has less than 50 points as the intrinsic value is on the higher side. Hopefully, this week end will fetch me an extra 50 points from the straddle alone.
 

linkon7

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#35
CUES-

--Nifty April future discount increased to 8 points so cost of carry decreased..
--Nifty open interest decreased by 2 lacs suggests long unwinding. (Total OI now at 4.55 cr which is dangerous)
--3300 puts had open interest of 71 lacs and 3400 calls had open interest of 48 lacs, so 3300 and 3400 will be important levels to watch for.
--India VIX closed at 48.80, decreased by 1% suggests stability.
--US markets closed in red.
--Asian markets trading mixed.
--Sgx nifty trading at 3391. (Up 29)
 

linkon7

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#36
scrip cost present diff profit/loss
3400 CE 230.00 221.00 9.00 900.00
3400 PE 215.00 129.00 86.00 8,600.00
Nifty Futures 3,116.00 3,485.00 369.00 36,900.00


Total = 46,400.00


The position of the nifty straddle as of end of 29th April’2009

Script
3400 CE bought at 230 has a current price of Rs. 221 is at a profit of Rs.900
3400 PE bought at 215 has a current price of Rs. 129 is at a profit of Rs.8600
Nifty Futures long Innitiated at the averaged price of 3116 has a current price of Rs. 3485 is at a profit of Rs.36900

Total = profit of Rs. 46400

Statistics

Cost of the straddle = 445.00
present price of the straddle = 350.00
Actual value of the straddle = 85.00
profit on straddle = 95.00
Profit on nifty = 369.00

total profit = 464.00

Activity report
Market opened gap up,,, went beyond 3400 and then sold off…
went to below 3390…. Placed a reversal at 3397
market rebounded… buy order hit….
have to roll over position for the next series… the premium on may is 12 points
waiting for a sell off… for the roll over
placed a sell at 3431
got hit…
now waiting for may to come lower,.,,, came to 3328… placed by…. Got it at 3429
now placed a reversal at 3405… its not going anywhere….
it broke on the up side…
 
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vicky_ag

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#37
Linkon,
Frankly, never have traded options. But, looking at your stratergy, I am sorry to say but it is overdone and misleading.

Tell you why:

A brief look at the first and the last page.

First page:
You shorted options, 2 calls and 2 puts of Nifty at stirke price of 3400.

Puts at 215
Calls at 230

Also, you went long on Nifty futures at 3402.

Money invested : 1.25 lacs

Last page:

Total profit from options = 9500

Total profit from Futures = 36900

Total = 46400

Now, tell me this, as you are making heavy profits trading on futures (36900) which comprises around 80% of your profit. I dont understand the need to write options??
Wasnt the first objective to try and pocket more and more of the premium which now stands at 95 points out of 400? Plus, your profit target has been achieved, thanks to all the money pouring in from futures.
If, you are earning so much so on Futures, why write options at all? That way, wouldnt your ROI be much better?

How is this statergy a hedge in options at all?

I dont mean any disrespect or anything it is just my view on why options are required in all this.
 

linkon7

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#38
Linkon,
Frankly, never have traded options. But, looking at your stratergy, I am sorry to say but it is overdone and misleading.

Tell you why:

A brief look at the first and the last page.

First page:
You shorted options, 2 calls and 2 puts of Nifty at stirke price of 3400.

Puts at 215
Calls at 230

Also, you went long on Nifty futures at 3402.

Money invested : 1.25 lacs

Last page:

Total profit from options = 9500

Total profit from Futures = 36900

Total = 46400

Now, tell me this, as you are making heavy profits trading on futures (36900) which comprises around 80% of your profit. I dont understand the need to write options??
Vicky,
Lets look at it differently. There are 3 scenarios that can happen :

1. nifty can rally further from here breaking the 3511 peak and go to 3800 levels.

2. Nifty can face selling pressure and go and re-test the 3300 mark and even go further down.

3. Nifty can consolidate here between the 3430-3500 mark and stay here for the next 2 weeks.

scenario 1 :
Nifty futures will generate profit. 3400 call will generate loss but the NF will gain much faster than the 3400 call's loss. 3400 put will generate profit.

Scenario 2 :
I lock my profit in nifty at one point and dont ride it down to 3400 levels. below 3400 levels, i initiate a short in nifty and the scenario becomes like scenario 1.
From current levels to 3400: from the point I exit to 3400 is my added profit. 3400 call will loose value much faster than 3400 put's gain in value due to base effect.

Scenario 3 :
NF profit remains stagnant within a small band. 3400 put & 3400 call looses time value. I dont do anything and enjoy the steady drop in straddle's value.

Wasnt the first objective to try and pocket more and more of the premium which now stands at 95 points out of 400? Plus, your profit target has been achieved, thanks to all the money pouring in from futures.
If, you are earning so much so on Futures, why write options at all? That way, wouldnt your ROI be much better?

How is this statergy a hedge in options at all?

I dont mean any disrespect or anything it is just my view on why options are required in all this.
Playing nifty is a directional call. In case you get it wrong, you loose money. incase u carried the naked position forward and the market gaps down, then its a loss. money going out of the pocket.

combining nifty with writing the straddle, made sure i didnt lose money. i lost some of the potential profit but never money from the pocket. that gives me confidence to hold on to positions knowing that time is my friend. as time goes by, profit goes into my pocket.

when i started off... i had 445 points as error margin. now i have 265 points. Writing straddle is a delta neutral strategy and unless u have scenario 3, u wont see the benefit untill the last 10 days of the series. But there is a steady erosion of value and so far in 8 day, 100 points have already been eroded (and come into my pocket..:D ) .

ps : i havnt started closing the losing leg of the straddle yet. i need more liquidity and that has come after the April series has expired. Now you'll see how to add more profit from the straddle. i have already raised my target to 60 thou and plan to achieve that in the first week itself.
 
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linkon7

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#40
Linkon,

What I was surprised was if anyhow you are making enuf with NF then why options. Your answers are really helpful.
U never played options. Yet you are following this thread. that shows ur interest in options. Just like 7 basic tunes combine to make beautiful music, you can combine options to make strategies and that takes away a lot of risk associated with the market.
 

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