Direct tax code impact on ELSS

#21
I think govt is planning to make huge corpus via debt based instruments from poor tax paying people for various purposes like bailout of PSUs, takling the fiscal deficits etc... Even the recent verdict favouring IRDA over SEBI regarding regularisation of ULIPS shows the same intention... :(:(


ULIPS have more hidden charges than mutual funds. IRDA has more weight than SEBI and investors has lowest weight.
Combination of ELSS and Term insurence plan is always better than any ULIP for investor, but this will never be promoted.
 

nikrod

Active Member
#22
ULIPS have more hidden charges than mutual funds. IRDA has more weight than SEBI and investors has lowest weight.
Combination of ELSS and Term insurence plan is always better than any ULIP for investor, but this will never be promoted.
I agree about ULIP being worse for investors than MF + Term insurance. Government also supports IRDA because it has substantial interest in LIC & gains from it time to time (LIC bailed out several PSU IPO / FPO's in past).

It's not like SEBI doesn't have power. It regulates entire securities market, which is not a small thing, but government still chooses to support IRDA for it's benefit. It also has to take care of insurance penetration brought about by insurance co's. Agree it or not but MF presence in India is far less than Insurance companies. Lets hope MF industry prospers in future.
 

magnet

Active Member
#23
Ulip is like out of 100% they get they invest 10% in insurance sector and remaining in market(90%)after already deducting the commission which is almost very high ...

Than some other unnecessary charges like policy allocation charges and so on...

I am myself stuck in Ulip pension plan which i got when i was a total noob and had 0% interest in finance....Now continuing the same as i have already completed 5 years so i guess i wont face surrender charges...But main problem for me is touchwood my money is giving 30-40% return than my investment but i used to take 80c deduction on the money and if i break the ulip all my deduction will be gone and will be added to my income

Its better to stay away....

Yesterday i was reading about tax savings fd giving upto 14% return if u fall under 10% tax bracket..

Here is the article

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/column_opportunity-open-in-tax-saving-fds_1400003

The example table is missing check yesterdays epaper in money section for complete pdf
 
#24
Yesterday I visited ICICI bank for some other work. One bank executive caught me and explained how ULIP is far better than Mutual funds. I listened as novice. He explains: 1. MF charges 7-8% annual charges. 2. MF don't invest all money is stocks 3.MF don't give insurence 4.You can not change your plans in MF.. so many..ULIP is better.

After one hour I just asked one question to him.

How much agent gets commison to promote ULIP?

He said; we don't get anything.

ALL MISSELLING
 

Raju

Well-Known Member
#26
EEE to stay, no tax on withdrawal of savings ....TIMESOFINDIA site

The Cabinet on Thursday approved the draft of the Direct Tax Code (DTC) Bill, but the changes in tax slabs proposed in the latest version are a pale shadow of the sweeping changes promised in the original proposal unveiled in August last year by finance minister Pranab Mukherjee.

The version approved by the Cabinet exempts incomes up to Rs 2 lakh per annum (against the current Rs 1.6 lakh) from tax, proposes to tax incomes between Rs 2 lakh and Rs 5 lakh at 10%, between Rs 5 lakh and Rs 10 lakh at 20% and beyond Rs 10 lakh at 30%.

For women and senior citizens, the exemption limit would be Rs 2.5 lakh per annum. At present, women have to pay tax on incomes of Rs 1.9 lakh per annum or more and senior citizens on incomes of Rs 2.4 lakh or more.

The maximum that anyone can gain from this proposal in terms of savings on the tax burden compared to the present levels is Rs 26,000 per annum. Even that is only possible if you are a woman and have an annual income of Rs 10 lakh or more. That's a far cry from the Rs 2.2 lakh that the same person would have saved if the original DTC proposal had been accepted by the Cabinet.

For corporates, too, the DTC appears to have flattered only to deceive. The code passed by the Cabinet has maintained the rate of tax on corporate incomes at the current 30%, against the 25% proposed originally, and the minimum alternate tax (MAT) for corporates at 20% of book profits.

The original draft had promised a whole new paradigm in direct taxation, drastically lowering the tax burden while also doing away with most exemptions. A revised draft released in June this year brought back some of the exemptions like the one available for interest on housing loans that the first draft had proposed to get rid of.

The speculation that this might force the finance ministry to make the revision of tax slabs also less ambitious to avoid giving away too much revenue has now proved well-founded. Under the original proposal, the 10% slab would have extended up to Rs 10 lakh and the 20% slab up to Rs 25 lakh, meaning that the 30% rate would have applied only to incomes of over Rs 25 lakh per annum.

What has finally emerged unless the rates or slabs are changed once again in the process of being discussed in the Parliamentary standing committee or in Parliament hardly justifies the hype that greeted the DTC when it was announced last year. It is the sort of tinkering at the margins that routinely happens in the annual Budget, instead of being the biggest tax revolution since Independence.

On the plus side for individual taxpayers, withdrawal from provident funds will not be taxed as the original DTC had proposed to do. Also deductions from taxable income will be available for interest on housing loans up to Rs 1.5 lakh per annum and on payments into PF and similar superannuation schemes up to Rs 1 lakh. Also available will be a deduction of up to Rs 50,000 for life insurance and health insurance premiums or tuition fees.
 
#27
A line from Value research online article(today)
.............The final draft (as approved by the Cabinet) continues with the tax deductions under Section 80 (c) of the existing Income Tax law.

I guess ELSS will be retained under 80C(inference from this line)
Any other clear news regarding this?
 

nikrod

Active Member
#28
A line from Value research online article(today)
.............The final draft (as approved by the Cabinet) continues with the tax deductions under Section 80 (c) of the existing Income Tax law.

I guess ELSS will be retained under 80C(inference from this line)
Any other clear news regarding this?
No. ELSS is not included in DTC. ELSS, Bank Tax free deposits, ULIPS etc. won't be tax free investments in DTC.
 
#29
No. ELSS is not included in DTC. ELSS, Bank Tax free deposits, ULIPS etc. won't be tax free investments in DTC.
Yes u r right. ELSS gone.. I read the article from VRO today ..Any how DTC implementation is postponed to april 1 of 2012. So we can invest in the next financial year. (one more financial year)... Sad news

Good news is that they have retained the long term capital gain tax exemption....
 

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