Trading Strategies Using Technical Analysis

Which date should the meet be held?

  • February 27th 2011

    Votes: 19 59.4%
  • March 6th 2011

    Votes: 8 25.0%
  • March 13th 2011

    Votes: 5 15.6%

  • Total voters
    32
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QUOTE=raunakagarwal;479331]Dear,

1. We are not in a sideways market. Infact, not going significantly down after such a move is a sign of strength.

2. What can happen on Monday? As far as I am concerned, whatever will happen will happen. Why bother worrying about it? 6080 or 5980 or xyz is just a number. In my experience, no level in the market is of importance. All can be broken or respected by the market irrespective of what we contemplate about them.

3. Yes I do see upside in TCS from these levels. Infact, I have bought it heavily today. If I am right, money is to be made, else I'll move on.

Tc[/QUOTE]
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Dear Gauharjk and all friend,let's Enjoy this song till monday..
Rajesh Dua
 

DanPickUp

Well-Known Member
Hi raunakagarwal

A question out of normal trading thoughts.

As I know, that you are in shares and as you know some other stuff from me, how much is the assets in million USD in India to be accepted from the banks and institutional investors to be knowledge d and accepted for a share fund, which they then would say, that is enough big for us to invest.

A - Because of the image they give to there big customers and

B - For there own protection, as they bring in a certain pot and would have the right, to discuss about the investment strategy ?


DanPickUp
 
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SwingKing

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Hi raunakagarwal

A question out of normal trading thoughts.

As I know, that you are in shares and as you know some other stuff from me, how much is the assets in million USD in India to be accepted from the banks and institutional investors to be knowledge d and accepted for a share fund, which they then would say, that is enough big for us to invest.

A - Because of the image they give to there big customers and

B - For there own protection, as they bring in a certain pot and would have the right, to discuss about the investment strategy ?


DanPickUp
Dan,

I could not understand what you are asking. Are you asking about the permissible limit to bring money in India by Institutional investors? If not, then please elaborate.

Tc
 

SwingKing

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Re: Classical Gap Setup - Intraday Trades

Thanks for the neat explanation with charts.

cant we use 30 min candles for handling gaps like the 1 hour candles?

Venkatachalam
Venkatachalam,

You can extend the concept to any time frame you want. Just make sure time frame is not too small. 30 min time frame will do fine. Experiment it yourself.

Tc
 
Godrej Ind & Jindal Saw - Keep holding on to both. Jindal Saw should start moving immediately. Whereas, Godrej will begin its move soon.

IndusInd Bank - Keep holding onto it. Very Strong stock. Accumulate more on dips.

Delta Corp - Wait and watch this. Let this stock consolidate. See if it resumes its up trend. Enter then.

VIP - Same as Indus Ind.

Tc
Thanks a lot Bro. Indebted to you. :)
 
Dear Raunak Sir,

Need your advice.

I have compiled a list of equties (not invested yet) based on the following 2 reasons :
1 ) My vast experience in stock market (1 full month and 5 days :) )
2 ) Reading this complete thread over atleast 2 times (still a lot that i cannot comprehend entirely..so will go through this again once).

The only parameter that I used was the price movement (simplest to understand among all the mentioned ones ) for the past few months.

Time frame - 3 - 6 months.

My selfish reason to carry out this exercise is to find out if i have understood anything and to identify the mistakes in case i am wrong (which i am sure i will be )

Request you to please have a look at the list and point out the places where I may be wrong. A Line or two would help me identify the spedific mistake.

P.S : I have no software or any other tool with me to identify the stocks . So have selected them based on what I have read over the past one month.

The List



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Regards
Kg
Dear Raunak Sir ,

A Gentle reminder for your comments on the above stocks that I selected .

The main Questions that i am having are :

1 ) Are the Buy / Wait signals that i got after studying them correct ?

2 ) Are the stop loss levels that i pointed out (based on some support levels of the past ) correct .

The answers to some of the stocks mentioned have already been provide by you lately. I will refer the thread for them.

Thanks and Regards
Kg
 

kainiteh

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Kainiteh,

If I remember correctly, I have explained this EW and ABC correction method somewhere in the beginning of this thread. I think I had explained it to you. Anyway, let me come back to your query now.

In my opinion, all the EW practitioners, with exception to some EW experts, practice EW in the wrong way. EW was never to be used in trading. It is only to be used to "judge" where the markets stands at this point. Hence, let me give you a framework based on EW so that it becomes easier for you to use it in your trading.

Every trader must divide his judgement about markets into two halves. One should reflect the long term market picture and another one should reflect the short term picture. The broader term price structure should be used to trade in the direction of the larger trend whereas the short term price structure should be used to generate alpha. Now, in your case, this is how you should structure your trades.

Broader Price Structure


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Now, of you see the market in Wave 5, you should be taking trades in the Buy side, but must also be prepared to use the same strategy to initiate short trades. By time extensions, you will always know probable time when correction (ABC) should begin and hence you must be prepared for it. This is exactly what you should be doing. Your approach is slightly wrong wherein you are trying to trade (time) the markets using EW. Use EW for trend direction and use your swing strategy for trade execution.

I hope this has helped you to channelize your thoughts. Try and always work in a framework.

Tc
Thank you very much. i will going to fine tune my setup with your comment... thanks again.
 

SwingKing

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Dear Raunak Sir ,

A Gentle reminder for your comments on the above stocks that I selected .

The main Questions that i am having are :

1 ) Are the Buy / Wait signals that i got after studying them correct ?

2 ) Are the stop loss levels that i pointed out (based on some support levels of the past ) correct .

The answers to some of the stocks mentioned have already been provide by you lately. I will refer the thread for them.

Thanks and Regards
Kg
Kg,

1) All the stocks highlighted by you, except Maruti and Sail are to be watched extremely closely. In case markets correct, you must focus on these stocks to accumulate.

2) Maruti and Sail need to be monitored. Won't advise to initiate longs as of now.

3) SL set by you or by any other trader is always going to be different from what I set. Risk levels of two traders are always different and hence SL's are different.

4) If you have good risk appetite, invest 25 % of your positions right away in these stocks. These are some of the strongest stocks in the market today. If you are patient enough, then wait for the correction. It should come in November - December.

Tc
 

SwingKing

Well-Known Member
Swing Trading Nifty and Bank Nifty

Swing System for Nifty and Bank Nifty

System Trading

Most of the traders who (un)intentionally develop trading systems have absolutely no idea of what they are doing. In other words, they are unaware of their systems risk, rewards, market suitability and other attributes which are absolutely essential for the systems to work. Unfortunately, most of the system developers intend to develop one universal system for all market types. For those who don't know, markets can be divided into broadly three categories; Bull, Sideways and Bear. Furthermore, markets can be sub divided into Volatile Bull, Volatile Sideways, Volatile Bear, Low volatile Bull, Low Volatile sideways and Low volatile Bear market. So essentially, we are dealing with 6 varied market types. How can there be one system which copes up with all these different market scenarios? The answer is, It cannot . A single Long term trading system can incorporate all these market types within itself, but a Swing Trading system cannot. Every time you start doubting what I have written here, ask yourself this. "If one short term system is suitable for all markets, then why aren't fund managers simply using that system? Why are they sitting behind their desks, trying to find the correct approach in the current market?" If you ask this question with complete honesty and objectivity, you will get the desired answer. If you still wish to stay in self denial, then its completely upto you to deal with what lies ahead. Keeping this in mind, we move to our objective of designing a simple system for Low Volatile Bull markets which will ensure we catch significant swing up moves and also ensure that we keep out of high volatile (Days/Scenarios).

Objectives

1) Building a Swing System for Low Volatile Bull markets which catches significant amount of swing up trends and leads to significantly lower draw downs.

2) Protection of capital due to increase in volatility. During periods of increase volatility, we intend to be out of the market.

3) Prevents us from Over trading. That is, keeps us in the market for fewer number of days.

Approach

Based on the objectives 1,2 & 3 we intend to use a technique which in itself can be used for short term trend following and can be used to incorporate the inherent volatility in the market. For this very reason, we will be using Bollinger Bands for swing trading.

Bollinger Bands are volatility bands placed above and below a moving average. Volatility is based on the standard deviation, which changes a volatility increase and decreases. One of the other great advantages of Bollinger bands is that they adapt dynamically to price expanding and contracting as volatility increases and decreases. Therefore, the bands naturally widen and narrow in sync with price action, creating a very accurate trending envelope. Bollinger Bands consist of a middle band with two outer bands. The middle band is a simple moving average that is usually set at 20 periods. A simple moving average is used because a simple moving average is also used in the standard deviation formula. The look-back period for the standard deviation is the same as for the simple moving average. The outer bands are usually set 2 standard deviations above and below the middle band. Settings can be adjusted to suit the characteristics of particular securities or trading styles.

Since our trading style is to have enough trades, to protect our capital by getting out on slight increased volatility and to keep a check on draw downs, we will use the Standard Upper Bollinger Band with average of 20, but will reduce the standard volatility to as low as 0.5. There are mainly two ways to use Bollinger bands. One is to Buy at lower band and sell at higher band (Side ways market) and other is to buy at upper band and remain in trades till the reversal comes (Trending market). Since we are aiming for Bull markets, we will use the latter approach. So essentially, when we identify a Low Volatility Bull Market, we will simply go long every time the prices close above the 20 period Bollinger Band with St deviation 0.5 and will exit if the price closes below the same.


System Statistics

I don't intend to self appraise this system and hence will not like to write the % profit, gross profit, draw down etc. Moreover, Profit and draw downs are directly proportionate to how aggressively one trades and hence it will differ for each trader. However, I will give some statistics which are more useful.

Total number of trades from 1995 are around 200. Out of which only 38% trades are winners. Average profit/loss % is 1.32. Standard deviation of the same is 4.9%. Average profit % is 6% and Average loss % is 1.33% and Profit factor is 3.38. Time spent in markets is at 53%. That is, 47% of time we remain out of the markets and hence whatever we make in profits is by staying in the market for only 53% of entire time. Rupee value calculated using lot size 100 of Average winner is Rs. 36,000 and Average loss is Rs. 8000. Rupee value of Average trade is Rs. 7950

Word of Caution

Most of you who have interacted with me know that I am not a systems trader. I had got many request for posting some system and hence I am doing the same. In no way is this system holy grail. Also, use, understand and test this system thoroughly before even trying to place bets according to this.

This system is only suitable for Low volatile Bull markets and will fail miserably in other market types. Please do not try to use this system in any other market type. If you do so, kindly modify based on your understanding. Lot of modifications can be undertaken and hence do it if you understand the same.

Contracts to be traded

Nifty and Bank Nifty.

For stock futures, this needs to be modified. I have not researched on the same and hence cannot advise on it.


Modification

I don't like spoon feeding any trader and hence this system is just a basic system which needs to be adapted to one's own needs. On the whole, anyone who trades this system in the concerned market type, should get good gains. But the one who understands this in or out, will know how to modify this system to take it to a completely different level.

Please understand, due to time constraints, I would not be justifying/clarifying any system statistic related doubts. This is mainly due to two reasons,

1) I have mentioned earlier that results are based on my sizing methods, risk profile and hence can vary according to what you chose.

2) System testing is itself a different ball game. Less than 5% of actual traders know how to test systems. It is not as simple as what Metastock/Amibroker dishes out. Hence, any genuine system related query would be answered. Rest I will choose not to comment on as that would require detail system analysis skills to understand.

Doubts related to system methodology are always encouraged.


AFL

I am not an expert in writing AFL's but I have provided the basic afl which is required to see how this strategy works. Anyone who is an expert in designing AFL's can modify this AFL and post it here. Typical modifications would include, telling the trader whether the position is on Buy, Buy hold, when to add the next lot and when to exit the lot etc. Similar to some thing what Anant has done for his positional system.

Code:
_SECTION_BEGIN("Price");
SetChartOptions(0,chartShowArrows|chartShowDates);
_N(Title = StrFormat("{{NAME}} - {{INTERVAL}} {{DATE}} Open %g, Hi %g, Lo %g, Close %g (%.1f%%) Vol " +WriteVal( V, 1.0 ) +" {{VALUES}}", O, H, L, C, SelectedValue( ROC( C, 1 )) ));
Plot( C, "Close", ParamColor("Color", colorBlack ), styleNoTitle | ParamStyle("Style") | GetPriceStyle() ); 
if( ParamToggle("Tooltip shows", "All Values|Only Prices" ) )
{
 ToolTip=StrFormat("Open: %g\nHigh:  %g\nLow:   %g\nClose:  %g (%.1f%%)\nVolume: "+NumToStr( V, 1 ), O, H, L, C, SelectedValue( ROC( C, 1 )));
}
_SECTION_END();

Buy = Close > BBandTop(Close,20,0.5);
Sell =Close <  BBandTop(Close,20,0.5);

Buy = ExRem(Buy,Sell);
Sell = ExRem(Sell,Buy);

shape = Buy * shapeUpArrow + Sell * shapeDownArrow;


PlotShapes( shape, IIf( Buy, colorGreen, colorRed ), 0, IIf( Buy, Low, High ) );
Tc

*Explanation of Bollinger bands is borrowed from Stockcharts.com
 
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