Tuna ji it seems you took offence when i said that i donot use any indicators. I have my own reasons which i would like to tell you. My 1st post in this thread was that to get the complete picture we need input both from price and volume. The info desired from price can be got directly from price. Like trend (Higher highs higher lows/lower highs lower lows). Further key levels of support and resistance can be had from earlier support and resistance levels (fixed levels) or from moving averages (dynamic levels) There is nothing other than this information that can be provided by any indicator. Obv steps in to quantify the volume aspect objectively. Now you tell me where do the indicators you talk about fit in. Are they not redundant.