Option trading with DanPickUp

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DanPickUp

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Hi Dan

How to get the Vola for stocks? Is it a standard formula that one can code in AMIBROKER or is it something that comes from the exchange?

Thanks,
Jaya
Hi Traderjaya

I use Metastock pro and have no idea about Amibroker. In MST pro, the indicator is included. I am also not much in stock trading, as the Chicago Mercantile Exchange offers a huge range on options on futures. This is not the case in India.

To your data question: The data feed from the exchange should include the data for the vola. That at least happens with my data feed. Thanks SG for the link he posted from the NSI.

DanPickUp
 

bpr

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Dan thanks for this thread. This is really amazing.
Lot of my doubts getting cleared.

I have a question.

If say on FRIDAY evening I will lets say
Short 1 OTM PUT
Short 1 OTM CALL
both at the same strike level.(Preferably nearer to ATM)

And square off on Monday Morning.
Basically I am trying to get the theta component for the weekend and i am hedged so no risk

Will this strategy work???
Your expert comment on this please.

And BTW I heard abt MFGlobal bankruptcy.
What happened to your account.Did u recover your money???
Who is your new Broker?
And do u use optionvue software?
 
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DanPickUp

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#53
Hi bpr

Nice to hear that this thread helps to clear some doubts.

- Your question about the mentioned strategy: It is a pure theta game you try to play. If nothing special happens and you are fully hedged, you should make a few Rp with that. If you are not hedged and vola jumps up, you could lose money. So always be aware about that.

- Until now 72% is recovered. Brokers are PFG Best and Future Path trading. Yes, I use OpVue6 from time to time, as I also have some private option software to test any ideas like you will see in the following post.

DanPickUp
 

DanPickUp

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Hi

Subject number eight: How to implement a strategy?

I think, this part is underestimated here in Traderji as it is the Sudoku part in strategically option trading. The word Strategically now becomes its value.

There are different ways to implement a strategy in the market. We have the choice to implement a strategy at once with all legs or we can start with one leg and add other legs one by one. More ways are possible.

Here some examples to give you an idea what is meant in case you are not familiar with it:

Long straddle with two legs: If done at once, we buy at the same time one atm call and one atm put.

If done by leg in: First buy the atm call or the atm put, depending on what you expect market will do, wait until market moved and then buy the atm put or call.

Long iron condor with four legs: If done at once, you would place your four legs and then the strategy would be executed.

If done by leg in, you have various combinations to do so. To trade in that way, you need a very clear understanding of how the whole strategy is produced. You further need a very clear understanding about how options can be used like long put, short put, long call, short call. You have to know under what market conditions each of these legs is implemented in the market and what strategies are best used for different market conditions. If I want to go further, you even have to know how to use different time frames from different options, especially when it comes to horizontal spread trading. The next level than is to understand different derivatives and start to combine them with options on different levels with different time frames.

Back to the long iron condor. Possibilities you have when leg in that strategy strategically:

Go long one put or call. Later add all other legs at once or move on with leg in one by one.
Go long one put and one call. Later add the other two legs at once or move on with leg in.
Go long one put and short one put. Later add the other legs at once or move on with leg in.
Go long one call and short one call. Later add the other legs at once or move on with leg in.
Go short one otm put or one otm call. Later add the other legs at once or move on with leg in.
Go short one otm put and one otm call. Later add the other legs at once or move on with leg in.
Go long one otm call, one otm put and short one atm call. Later leg in the missing leg.

There are more ways. Try to find it out by your self as you now have the idea behind it.

If you start to trade like that, you will find many ways to implement a strategy. That is more or less the only way to bring a strategy over the zero line, for those who use a matrix for option trading. If you do trade options strategically, as told many times: Use a matrix.

Eight subject closed :).

DanPickUp
 
#55
Hi Savant & Dan,

The first row of the CSV file in the link you provided has the formula also.
Glad that NSE is providing the way to calculate also. I *think* I can do this in AMI.

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Current day vola = sqrt(0.94*(previous day Vola)^2 + 0.06*{ln( Underlying Close Price/ Underlying Previous Day Close Price)}^2
ln = natural log
*************
Once again, thank you for showing the way.

Regards,
Jaya
 

SavantGarde

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#56
Don't worry... would have provided the formula if it was needed....Relax...it is only Monday... have a nice hearty breakfast....... By the way....Market is closed Today...:)

SG

Hi Savant & Dan,

The first row of the CSV file in the link you provided has the formula also.
Glad that NSE is providing the way to calculate also. I *think* I can do this in AMI.

*************
Current day vola = sqrt(0.94*(previous day Vola)^2 + 0.06*{ln( Underlying Close Price/ Underlying Previous Day Close Price)}^2
ln = natural log
*************
Once again, thank you for showing the way.

Regards,
Jaya
 

bpr

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#57
Hi bpr

Nice to hear that this thread helps to clear some doubts.

- Your question about the mentioned strategy: It is a pure theta game you try to play. If nothing special happens and you are fully hedged, you should make a few Rp with that. If you are not hedged and vola jumps up, you could lose money. So always be aware about that.

- Until now 72% is recovered. Brokers are PFG Best and Future Path trading. Yes, I use OpVue6 from time to time, as I also have some private option software to test any ideas like you will see in the following post.

DanPickUp
Basically if i understood correctly the delta is cancelling each other out but Vola component is still not hedged and in case of market gap up and gap down then I am going to loose as both the Call and Put will rise and may offset the theta gain.
So if Vola is relatively high on Friday and I take the trade then I have a much higher chance.

I have few more question.
During the months start date to expiry date theta component looses value till it becomes zero.
So is the depreciation constant for each day of the month or is it going to depreciate faster during the end of the expiry?

How is delta calculated and when and how it will change?

I am glad to hear that you recovered most of the money. I wish you are successful in recovering the rest. MFGLOBAL was a big player and nobody expected them to default and a lot of people taken by surprise.

I will add these brokers to my list for analysis. I am currently looking for a broker in US and did some research to find a no frills deep discount broker so far I found Generic Trade but I am still looking...
 
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