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DSM

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What time frame do you trade.? In 3M chart, BankNifty is only sell right from open, confirmed at 11.55 on break of range.

To avoid stops, suggest the following :

1. Check the trend in higher timeframe (Daily/60M)
2. Move back to your time frame (3Minute is my favorite) and look for the stock/index to move opposite of the trend and fail.

This is the right time to enter the trade.

Trust this helps.

BNF was one way traffic..but In NF ..I got stop hit in middle..then got back in with half Q..so lost some points and didnot went all in(like I always do in these kind of trend day :(
 
Dan, the screen was looking so gloomy, I just shorted and went for a movie, so as not to be tempted to book profits early - I came back and it was a shock to see how much the market cracked.

Feel bad for people without knowledge of TA, the lay investors. They have a reference to high prices, and buy thinking the price is cheap. My cousin, is one who always averages down. I tried to explain to him many times, but I guess experience is the best teacher.

What about Fundamental investors? Only if they learn a bit of TA and chart reading instead of mocking it - even if it is understanding HHLH/LLLH levels and some MA's, they can spare themselves so much pain and do much better for their portfolio.

Well there is always another day - one lives and learns.... Markets can reward you beyond imagination, or cause pain that one can never forget for a lifetime.

Hope all traders made money and investors protected themselves from grief. Good luck to all.
Sorry......What kind of day trading is this?:confused:...........
 

DSM

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Raj Bro,

Sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing.... Today was such day, after shorting, there was nothing to be done. I was confident of the trade, and wanted to allow the position to run. Considering the way the index had fallen, any chance of bounce back in index would have been like a tennis ball leaking air... each bounce would be (lower high) :) till it dropped to the ground.... :)

After I got the signal from my system that this was a positional short, took maximum position as per my MM would allow, and closed the screen and went out for the movie - no tension.

The easy part is done... For tomorrow, I will hold on to the short position. Am willing to give back 33% of earned profits to stay in the trade.

Let's see what happens.

BTW, Gradually want to move on to doing positional trades and not watching the screen intraday - as I have been making the mistake of taking smaller profits that I want, while the market is willing to give more... much more....

Edit : Also wondering how many traders gave up a good part of the opportunity to make money, while trying to micro-manage the trade.? :(

Sorry......What kind of day trading is this?:confused:...........
 
Raj Bro,

Sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing.... Today was such day, after shorting, there was nothing to be done. I was confident of the trade, and wanted to allow the position to run. Considering the way the index had fallen, any chance of bounce back in index would have been like a tennis ball leaking air... each bounce would be (lower high) :) till it dropped to the ground.... :)

After I got the signal from my system that this was a positional short, took maximum position as per my MM would allow, and closed the screen and went out for the movie - no tension.

The easy part is done... For tomorrow, I will hold on to the short position. Am willing to give back 33% of earned profits to stay in the trade.

Let's see what happens.

BTW, Gradually want to move on to doing positional trades and not watching the screen intraday - as I have been making the mistake of taking smaller profits that I want, while the market is willing to give more... much more....

Edit : Also wondering how many traders gave up a good part of the opportunity to make money, while trying to micro-manage the trade.? :(
Wow...........another tiger (Positional trader)...........I think you already killed an elephant......but you still hungry.......:D:clapping::clapping:
 

DSM

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Raj Bro,

I can trade intra-day F&O consistently profitably. But want to move on to positional trading index scripts - (just like you Sir - and have to learn to take big trades) and also commodities :) Have been studying commodity charts and am trading crude, copper, NG, Gold and Silver... intraday and positionally. But as am new to it, am trading with a bit of caution. Also I have noted that commodity trading intraday or otherwise is much more profitable. Commodity tends to trend in one direction.

BTW, I also take a few currency trades. And again, like commodity, they are uni-directional. More winners than losers, and good RR opportunities and also much more easier to trade. After a few hours break from F&O, I open the second shop at MCX.

:D

PS : If one enjoys what he/she is doing, what may seem to be work to one, may bring joy (and profits) to another. :)


Wow...........another tiger (Positional trader)...........I think you already killed an elephant......but you still hungry.......:D:clapping::clapping:
 
Guys......please review my God (Fr.Sebastian) call............I think not bad performance........in this panic market.........moved almost 450 points.(NF+BNF)....after my post................
 
Raj Bro,

Sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing.... Today was such day, after shorting, there was nothing to be done. I was confident of the trade, and wanted to allow the position to run. Considering the way the index had fallen, any chance of bounce back in index would have been like a tennis ball leaking air... each bounce would be (lower high) :) till it dropped to the ground.... :)

After I got the signal from my system that this was a positional short, took maximum position as per my MM would allow, and closed the screen and went out for the movie - no tension.

The easy part is done... For tomorrow, I will hold on to the short position. Am willing to give back 33% of earned profits to stay in the trade.

Let's see what happens.

BTW, Gradually want to move on to doing positional trades and not watching the screen intraday - as I have been making the mistake of taking smaller profits that I want, while the market is willing to give more... much more....

Edit : Also wondering how many traders gave up a good part of the opportunity to make money, while trying to micro-manage the trade.? :(
Very aptly explained DSM bhai... Lot of us try to micro manage the trade and give away good portion of profit.

But again it is very difficult psychologically to hold on to winning trade for a long time to capture big part of move. If we miss one such move, in next trade - one try to hold on to his winning trade which results in break-even or stop loss hit trade. Not all trades give big profit as today's trade. So there has to be consistency with how you execute your trade.

Also I would like to know how your system indicates if the trade is positional/swing or intraday? I am struggling with such decision. Appreciate your help.
 

DSM

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Shah bhai, In the market what's required to be done is very simple. But as somebody said - what's simple is the most difficult thing to do. By understanding how the market works, and adapting our psychology to the market, we can get the opportunity to make as much money as the market wants to give us - which is always more than what we want to take....

I too have been thru the similar scenario - Having booked profits early, saw that the market was giving 2-3-5 times more profit without any issue. I guess the difference between a professional trader and an amateur is that the professional trader will let the market tell him when the time is right to exit. An amateur trader will take profit as per his psychology (read fear) - the professional will take as much profit that the market will allow him to.

I will be posting a separate thread along with charts a lot of basic and simple techniques and setups of how to make money consistently.

To answer your question :

When you are entering the trade - remember it is your money at risk. So why would you be in the trade if it goes against you.? Just close the trade. Kill the loss fast. You can always enter the trade again, if you see the market is moving in the direction of your trade - which should be in the direction of the main trend.

However, once you are in the trade, and in the money i.e the trade is in profit, whose money are you playing with.? The market by giving you profit has already confirmed that your entry is correct. So now, you should trail your profits. It is not your money that is at risk - but the money that the market has given you.

Since the trade is moving in the right direction (it is in profit), the money that is at risk (is not yours, but the profit that the market has given you), you don't lose anything by holding on to your trade. Only be generous, to let the market take back a little of the profits, (in retracement) but as long as the trend is intact with - HHHL, LLLH you will make much more money by trailing SL.

Even if you get stopped out, you got to be in the trade -risk free, and exit profitably. For every one set up that fails - (nothing is guaranteed in the market), you will get many more opportunities that will be much more profitable. For every 1 rupee that you give up in profit, you will get the opportunity to make 2-3-5 rupee more especially in a trending market.

Daytrade/positional in my view is when the trend has changed - don't rely on any fancy indicators to tell you that. A visual look at the chart to see HHHL/LLLH is broken is good enough.

In short - trade in the direction of the trend. Trust this helps. Will post more later, along with some charts in a thread what I have learnt trading - and what other traders can do as well to trade profitably.

Good luck and happy trading.

Very aptly explained DSM bhai... Lot of us try to micro manage the trade and give away good portion of profit.

But again it is very difficult psychologically to hold on to winning trade for a long time to capture big part of move. If we miss one such move, in next trade - one try to hold on to his winning trade which results in break-even or stop loss hit trade. Not all trades give big profit as today's trade. So there has to be consistency with how you execute your trade.

Also I would like to know how your system indicates if the trade is positional/swing or intraday? I am struggling with such decision. Appreciate your help.
 

Tlahuicole

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What time frame do you trade.? In 3M chart, BankNifty is only sell right from open, confirmed at 11.55 on break of range.

To avoid stops, suggest the following :

1. Check the trend in higher timeframe (Daily/60M)
2. Move back to your time frame (3Minute is my favorite) and look for the stock/index to move opposite of the trend and fail.

This is the right time to enter the trade.

Trust this helps.
Absolutely true, especially if you are a discretionary trader trading with knowledge and not with system looking onto higher time frame to check on your trades direction which can be in lower time frame. We need higher time frame to get a clear picture of the trend, lower tf just helps in fine tuning the entries.

Point to note for those who don't have a rule based trading system.
 
Good morning guys............Chalo or ek day trader a gaya........lets enjoy the panic market.......
 
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