Low Risk Options Trading Strategy - Option Spreads

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DanPickUp

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The strategy is to make a direction neutral one and not market neutral. So it is difficult to imagine one part of the legs remain deferred till the target is reached... In my short trading career, I have found that the more we try to adjust a losing position, the more we jeopardize our initial plan/trade.

As far as I understand, you have considered this strategy from the view-point of a fund manager who can afford to go to smaller ranges to balance the legs and make it a more complex one. I think the member who posted the original strategy also considered 'money' as a constraint to the whole equation.
Market neutral meant for me the same like direction neutral. Next time I will write direction neutral. Any way: What I mentioned is called leg in. No matter what you plan: When your plan is to leg in, you always have some thing open. Have a look at those strategies: http://www.google.com/cse?cx=partne...arch#gsc.tab=0&gsc.q=Credit Spread&gsc.page=1 Each one of this strategies can be implemented at once, and then they look the way you see them there.

Now have a look at this: http://i44.tinypic.com/kqbr8.png Red is the 0 line and I am far above it ( Marked with the vertical green lines ) Why? Because I implemented my trades like showed in the above link or because I legged in and have some times one part and in other times two or three parts (legs) open? What do you think?

Now the same to the sold strangle idea with the future trades in between. By leg in I have a better start and if done the right way, my break even points on the down and upside are far better compare to your break even points by implementing the whole strategy at once. In the best case I am at or over the 0 line even before I start to use any other derivatives. Also my margin comes drastically down ( US Broker as I trade there ).

It is a directional start and if it not works I have to make a decision: Do I adjust or do I leave the trade and implement an other one. But such decisions you have to make no matter what you trade. If you now trade the pure future or if you trade a future in between a range, fixed with the sold strangle, and market gapps stronly and you start to lose, you also have to make a decision.

Advantage and disadvantage from the different kind of trading. But in no way a just one way thing. Best description for that: Flexibility.

DanPickUp
 
I have shorted a MINIFTY @5230 my sl is 5352 , now I think market may go up , by shorting probably I have done mistake :annoyed:. But I donot want to take loss, can I save my trade by using OPTION , if so how? :confused: Expected market range for march probably 5200-5500.
 

SavantGarde

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Write (Short) 5400 PE On some downside during Intraday on Monday CPM of Friday 119.10

OR

Buy 3 Lots of 5400 CE also on reaction CMP 18.90


SG

I have shorted a MINIFTY @5230 my sl is 5352 , now I think market may go up , by shorting probably I have done mistake :annoyed:. But I donot want to take loss, can I save my trade by using OPTION , if so how? :confused: Expected market range for march probably 5200-5500.
 

SavantGarde

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You need to be careful about the timing of the trades whatever you decide....because just the timing can make quite a bit of difference in having to Leg out of some part of the open position....!!!

Reason for suggesting everything of March series was so that you aren't carrying baggage of March series into April......and you can plan afresh for April...:)

Best Of Luck....!!!


SG

Thanks SG for your suggestion , I will go for 5400 PE , though earlier I decided some thing different which was
Long 5400 ce april @ 104 cmp
short 5200 pe march 29 cmp :)
 
Bhai, why sell/buy options ? Why not add another lot and average ??

or

buy next month's minifty ??

:confused:

Either strategy involves putting in more money. Wouldn't you rather he took a loss on the dips and re-entered later (if still convinced of downside).

Also, when you advice selling PE, is it for nifty or for mini (since he has traded mini, should the options also be in mini ?? ). If the index rises, of course, the nifty options gain 2.5 times faster than the losses in mini (minus the time decay). But if the index falls, then his loss too run 2.5 times faster.
 

SavantGarde

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Entering Calendar Spread...is always there....where he could have been Long April series.... !!!

While Selling a PE will decay faster even if the market remains where it is or thereabouts.....Yes PE would have to be same as MINI.....it is for the same reason I have mentioned 3 Lots CEs... because they will move about 20-25% of the Nifty Move....Hence CE are also Minis....:)

My Mistake ....for the oversight...should have stated it in the original post about Mini...!!!


SG

Bhai, why sell/buy options ? Why not add another lot and average ??

or

buy next month's minifty ??

:confused:

Either strategy involves putting in more money. Wouldn't you rather he took a loss on the dips and re-entered later (if still convinced of downside).

Also, when you advice selling PE, is it for nifty or for mini (since he has traded mini, should the options also be in mini ?? ). If the index rises, of course, the nifty options gain 2.5 times faster than the losses in mini (minus the time decay). But if the index falls, then his loss too run 2.5 times faster.
 
Bhai, why sell/buy options ? Why not add another lot and average ??

or

buy next month's minifty ??

:confused:

Either strategy involves putting in more money. Wouldn't you rather he took a loss on the dips and re-entered later (if still convinced of downside).

Also, when you advice selling PE, is it for nifty or for mini (since he has traded mini, should the options also be in mini ?? ). If the index rises, of course, the nifty options gain 2.5 times faster than the losses in mini (minus the time decay). But if the index falls, then his loss too run 2.5 times faster.
Thanks for your suggestion, however i want to recover my loss of 65 points in minifty , if i go for April nifty it will arrest my further loss but probably it can't recover my incurred loss . However you are correct if nifty goes below 5200, I will face more loss, though my stop loss for my above trade including option is 5150. I need your view , please suggest.:)
 

While Selling a PE will decay faster even if the market remains where it is or thereabouts.....Yes PE would have to be same as MINI.....it is for the same reason I have mentioned 3 Lots CEs... because they will move about 20-25% of the Nifty Move....Hence CE are also Minis....:)


SG
Yes, selling a put will need almost the same margin as futures and will hedge the position from this point onwards...

But about buying 5400CE - 3 lots ?? Why not 5300CE 1 lot @55.5 ?? Near the money and maybe lesser time decay in this strike ??
 

SavantGarde

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It was suggested because of higher Volatility.... considering the kind of range we have done from the day of the Budget....!!!

There is no harm... with 5300 CE but would require only 2 Lots....!!!

If the Market Opens above 5318 then 5400 should be good enough....but if it dips in the morning 5300 CE should be ideal... too many variables to outline....anything fixed ....and the biggest variable being not aware of the capital available.....:)


SG

Yes, selling a put will need almost the same margin as futures and will hedge the position from this point onwards...

But about buying 5400CE - 3 lots ?? Why not 5300CE 1 lot @55.5 ?? Near the money and maybe lesser time decay in this strike ??
 
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