How to trade with an oscillator

Santosh, when entering a trade in using the stochastics or any other oscillator, check the higher TF's to see what they are doing. I'm sure Smartrade when he gets back to his thread will agree with me on the basic long and short of this. If the higher TF's are suggesting a strong trend by virtue of the crossover in the OB/OS area or the open-mouth attribute of a strong trend, then it will nullify the lower TF.

There was talk about divergence, stochs breaking to 30, then heading back up, and etc. All of that does not mean a lot if the higher TF's are dominant. As I mentioned, everything you see on the lower TF's are virtually nullified.

You can personally observe what I am talking about, by taking note of what you see on the 5-min (for example), then compare it to the hourly or 4-hour.
AMAF, I'd like to hear someone's input on what they see on the hourly or 4-hour from the chart posted in #1061.

Let me use a metaphor. Let's say you spit in the ocean. You won't notice it, because the ocean is the dominant liquid. If the 5-min is OB, and the 4-hour is beginning to react to its OS condition, the 5-min will go unnoticed because the 4-hour is the dominant TF.


ThanX for the reply Paul Sir,

Your valid points about considering larger TF while looking to enter a trading decision is well taken.
But my query was on general divergence analysis.. :)fatigue:..Typo there in my earlier post.. now corrected)..
are there any rules set while looking for divergence in common.

can you please through some light on this subject..

Regards

Santosh
 
Murthyavr, I agree inasmuch that I put no limit on what TF to trade. There is an orderly symmetry to all TF's. Nevertheless, if you are using one TF only with just a stochastics, then you will run into problems such as what we have been discussing.
I say trade the 1-min of 5 min. But, if they are indicating go south, and the 4-hour is wide open going north, you just got plowed by a freight train.


Dear Paul,

This article on Price Bar Illusion is interesting.

No TF is too big or too small!
 
The entry in the long trade will be as under :

1) 50 % on 1:30 bar high as it closed above a bearish candle at 1:15 after giving divergence. Divergence is just an indication that market may reverse, the actual trade has to be on the price showing strength.

2) 50 % on 1:35 bar high as this bar built on 1:30 bar and closed above 21 MA...this is the confirmed entry.

Smart_trade
Dear ST,
50% on 1:30 bar high entry quantity be 10000 shares and remaining 50 % on 1:35 bar high quantity be 10000 shares or can it be any number of shares according to traders capacity ?
at your free time please reply.
regards,
anjanbm
 


To understand the correct way of trading on oscillators let us study the Nifty futures 60 min chart. The stochastic oscillator is doing a great job till May 09end...calling each top and bottoms and our oscillator trader is on a high and feels that he has figured out everything in the markets and he is on his way to top the next batch of Market Wizards......But market has its own ways...we all know that....;):lol:All of us have been there....

The problem areas for the oscillator trader are as under :

1) Up trending market from 27-5-09 ,1:00 bar to 2-6-09 ,11:00 bar

2) Up trending market from 9-6-09 ,3:00 bar to 12-6-09 ,12:00 bar

3) Down trending market from 12-6-09 ,3:30 bar to 16-06-09,12:00 bar

4) Down trending market from 17-06-09 ,3;00 bar to 18-06-09 ,3:30 bar

If he can handle the above 4 markets successfully,our oscillator trader is the king....

Let us see how he can handle these periods...I will explain first two cases,rest 2 are mirror images...

1) 27-05-09 ,1:00 bar onwards.....

On 27-5-09 at 1:00 bar the stochastic oscillator goes into overbought zone and that is a mouth watering trade for our trader friend to go short ( most will trade like this and repent later ). He goes short and gets killed in the subsequent market acyion.

The Oscillator Entry Qualifiers For Short Tradeare as under :

1) The oscillator should have gone to overbought zone.
2) Wait for a bar where the oscillator flips...ie comes out of overbought zone and comes in neutral zone....
3) In doing step No 2 the oscillator should not have stayed in overbought zone for 5 bars and more
4) Wait for a downclose ( meaning close less than earlier day's close)
5) Ensure that by that time oscillator does not go very near oversold region
6) Sell when the low of the downclose bar is broken on downside.....

If you observe all 6 qualifiers you will see that there was no shorselling opportunity in this uptrend.....our trader friend is home safely....and made money in longs....

2) 9-6-09 ,3:00 Bar onwards

Oscillator went into overbought territory and stayed there for 9 bars.....so no shortselling ideas to be entertained....

Here the market will move to neutral zone,dissipate the extra bullish pressure ,then go to overbought region,fulfill all 6 qualifiers,give negative divergence and then change its direction to down...let us see what it did...

Come to 12-06-09 ,12:00 bar...after dipping into neutral territory the oscillator has gone to overbought zone again....it stayed there only for 1 bar.....next bar 1:00 it dips again into neutral zone,gives a downclose...Now all qualifiers satisfied...the low of the 1:00 bar cracked in 12-6-09 , 3:00 bar and that is an ideal sell entry....mkt never looked up after thatAlso note the classic negative divergence here,the mkt making new higher top oscillator making lower top....all perfect...

The other two are mirror images in downtrend.Our friends can easily figure them out well .....

Best wishes....

Smart_trade
what are the settings for stoc? I understand time frame is 1hour. thanks
 

murthyavr

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Dear ST,
50% on 1:30 bar high entry quantity be 10000 shares and remaining 50 % on 1:35 bar high quantity be 10000 shares or can it be any number of shares according to traders capacity ?
at your free time please reply.
regards,
anjanbm
It's based on the trader's risk capacity.

Suppose you can buy only 1000 shares as per your risk management. Buy 500
shares at a time, in two instalments.

Suppose you can buy only two lots of NF. Buy one lot at a time.
 

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